Nice, how tempted are you to run it as a troll list, a pair of smokes and a pair of hitters could be interesting

Also nothing on the card saying the effects dont stack so double smoke super pershings/ jagdpanthers for trolling

Crusader with smoke and clever loader is only 17pts, so with 5 of them and some other upgrades you could in theory seriously reduce incoming fire until you got good shots into their flanks

So maybe:
Crusader
Smoke rounds
Clever Loader
Bloodthirsty Gunner
for a nice total of 20 pts

would be a boring list to play with/against through

I'm afraid I can't do that Commander.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

Whilst I love theory building I will share something I know.

As some are aware, STAW is very similar to tanks in terms of mechanics and escpecially the army list building.

For a while, (First several waves) STAW really thrived where I live and then all of a sudden people began to make disgustingly op lists that were being used at tournaments and friendly games.

Eventually, the game dried up around here, and retailers just dropped it as most people were now playing x wing (Same deal, just can't op stuff as bad).

The point I'm making is this. Be carefull with your troll and cheese lists. In the right setting they're great fun but at a tournament (escpecially if they catch on and become a new meta) they can literally kill a game off locally because people get sick off it.

Fail to believe me at own risk guys.

I mean just... just clarify that an attack is the act of rolling attack dice
please
please the rules need this
please

*sobs*

okay infinite BS smoke ammo it is

infinite smoke popping?
sounds like Victory at sea all over again...

Both only refer to shooting, not attacking, but if you say so, I'll take your word for it. Does that also mean that if a tank suffers from both smoke and a Damaged Optics crit, and has less than 1 attack dice, it can not cancel the crit by shooting, in direct contrast to the card? Does Barkmann allow you to clear the crits, then attack with a full pool?

I know your opinion on releasing an FAQ, but seeing as how your own team isn't on the same page, perhaps we need some comprehensive clarifications?

Edited by user Monday, July 31, 2017 12:31:21 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Spelling.

I agree that Rolling Zero Dice and Not Rolling Dice are significantly different and an important distinction. You might see where I have had trouble making the distinction here, however.

To recap, Rolling Zero Dice will trigger Clever Loader, Ernst Barkmann, and the Damaged Optics repair clause. Not Rolling Dice will only trigger Damaged Optics.

Just one more question, if I may;

Will shooting a smoke round count towards Coordinated Fire?

Having broken out my Russian cards for the first time in 3-4 months I can't see why a smoke round shouldn't give Co-ordinated Fire.

The smoke round has been shot at the target albeit with no possibility of damage owing to no dice being rolled.

If it isn't consider a "shot" as such, how on earth did the smoke get there?

Perhaps you are. Sean at Tanks HQ had already said the combination did work, but now we're finding out it doesn't. The distinction between rolling an attack pool that includes zero dice and not getting to the point of rolling dice at all being the pivotal element that separates "attacking" from just "shooting" is not mentioned in the rulebook at all, and cards seem to use these terms pretty loosely. As such, I didn't really have a place to start making the logical leap that it wouldn't work to begin with.