Originally Posted by: Raider4 Howdo,
Tiger II - 5 6 3 8, with Blitzkrieg & Heavy Tank, and a crew of 4 for 45 pts.
Jagdtiger - 1 7 3 8, with Blitzkrieg, Big Gun, Assault Gun and Heavy Tank, 4 crew for 50 pts.
But these are just my ideas about values, and then the points are generated with my own experimental formula, which seems to (mostly) work. Although I have a few problems (e.g. Comet I can get nowhere close to 29pts - 25 is what I get).
Cheers.
Wrong and wrong.
Why the hell Tiger II should have a Heavy rule when it's side armour was pretty much the same as Tiger I? And even more so for Jagdtiger? Why JTiger has Attack 7 when it's 12.8cm Kwk had a comparable penetration performance to KTigers 8.8cm?
Tiger II with Your stats, but dropping Heavy at 44 pts. makes sense.
As for JagdTiger I'll quote myself from a different thread:
Jagdtiger or officially Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B
Initiative 1 Attack 6 Defence 3 Damage 8 Assault Gun, Big Gun, Impenetrable, Slow 47 Pts.
Horribly overloaded, nose heavy, barely moving chassis armed with a monstrous gun and a frontal armour like nothing else fielded throughout the war.
Special rules:
Rule created to show massive difference between Jagdtiger's frontal (250mm) and side (85mm) armour. I'm thinking about...
Impenetrable - this tank ignores one Hit or Critical Hit (chosen by attacking player) from every attack made against it, which does not benefit from Side Shot rule.
Slow - this tank can only make one move (one arrow).
Originally Posted by: CmdrRook <snip>
I was actually pondering the same problem, as I was sorta toying with the idea of "Cracking the code 2.0". Looking at Your math I believe that You right in Your assessment of M10>Achilles case (Natinal rule cost difference).
Otherwise basic system seems to work to a certain degree:
Sherman V 5 4 1 4 at 15 points
+1 +2 -1 -1 in points summary (+1 for INI, +10 for ATT, -7 for DEF, -1 for DAM equals +3 total)
Achilles 6 6 0 3 with Cautious (assuming free) at 18 points.
Sherman 75mm 6 4 1 6 at 20 points
+0 +1 -1 -3 in points summary (+0 for INI, +5 for ATT, -7 for DEF, -3 for DAM equals -5 total)
M10 6 5 0 3 with Cautious (assuming free) at 15 points.
Only when M36 comes into play things get weird, as it seems to be 2 pts too cheap.
Two remaining cases are complicated by unusual chassis in case of Germans and lack of Cautious rule for Soviets.
T-34 4 4 1 5 with Fast at 18 points
+2 +1 -1 -2 in points summary (+2 for INI, +5 for ATT, -7 for DEF, -2 for DAM equals -2 total)
M10 6 5 0 3 at 14 points.
In this case system goes out of the window, unless we'll make an assumption it's just a straightforward transfer from U.S. vehicle corrected for National rule and loss of Cautious cost.
And I'm not even going into Germans...
I kind of agree that we probably won't find the formula, even if such a thing exists, but so far we've been pretty close in points cost and that should be enough to keep us going with some vehicles until their eventual official release.
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