I refrain from posting NEW cards for existing one, because this wont happen (and shouldn't without a general version 2.0 of the game - I for sure wont rebuy all my stuff for small rule changes)

Global

Ammunition

"AP Ammo" (3 pts):
Discard to gain + 1 attack.
Armor-piercing ammunition was developed to pierce armor even at long range.

"APCR Ammo" (1 pts):
Discard to gain + 1 attack at short range.
Armor-piercing, composite rigid ammunition was developed to pierce even the thickest armor - but is loses its effectiveness at long ranges.

"HEAT Ammo" (3 pts):
Discard to have all Critical Hits deal +1 damage.
High-Explosive Anti-Tank ammunition was developed to penetrate even the thickest armor and then release it's explosive charge inside, spraying everything and anything with burning hot shrapnel

Equipment

"Gyro Stabilizer" (5 pts)
This tank has the Gung Ho special rule.
Highly advanced technology enabling tanks to shoot more accurately when on the move.

"Range Finder" (5 pts):
You may re-roll one attack die per turn.
Schütze! Feindkontakt - Panzer auf 4 Uhr! Am Waldrand, 850 meter!

American

Armor

"Tree Trunks" (1 pts):
Discard to re-roll a single defense die.
Many American tank crews, well aware of the weak armor of their machines, used anything they could get their hands on to improve their armor, even if just a tiny bit.

German

Tank Cards

Tiger II/Königstiger (Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. B "King Tiger") (52 pts)
6 initiative 6 attack 3 armor 9 hull points
Blitzkrieg: (official)
Unreliable (hypothetical rule): This tank needs to re-roll successful Repair rolls in the Command Phase. If applicable you may re-roll EITHER the initial Repair roll OR the re-roll of the successful Repair roll. // Alternative: When moving more than one (1) time, roll a die at the end of your movement. On 4+ your tank receives the Critical effect of Busted Tracks (but no damage).
The most feared tank the Germans fielded in World War two. However, Luckily for the Allies, it was very unreliable and most of the few vehicles built broke down without ever seeing combat.

comment: 52 points because its mostly like a Super Pershing with more hull points and initiative, however Unreliable is a big potential downgrade and also the (huge) silhouette will make movement less effective and this tank harder to hide. 6 initiative because the Tiger II was remarkably agile for such a heavy vehicle. Contemporary German records and testing results indicate that its tactical mobility was as good as or better than most German or Allied tanks. 6 attack because it has the same gun as the Jagdpanther (also 6 attack dice). 3 armor for its massive frontal armor. 9 hull points because I just want it to be even meatier than the Tiger 1.
No Heavy, for its side armor was not very good, therefor flanking should not benefit of the massive armor value of 3.
No Slow (hypothetical rule, allowing for only 1 movement / mentioned in a different forum- great rule idea though!): for it had wide tracks and was surprisingly fast - when not broken down.
Unreliable (hypothetical rule): this thing broke down more often than it was actually destroyed in combat.

Jagdtiger (Hunting Tiger/Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B) (36 pts)
1 initiative 6 attack 3 armor 8 hull points
Assault Gun: (official)
Blitzkrieg: (official)
Big Gun: (official)
Slow (hypothetical rule): This tank may only ever make one move. Cant be Fast. Roll for Unreliable any time you move.
Unreliable (hypothetical rule): This tank needs to re-roll successful Repair rolls in the Command Phase. If applicable you may re-roll EITHER the initial Repair roll OR the re-roll of the successful Repair roll. // Alternative: When moving more than one (1) time, roll a die at the end of your movement. On 4+ your tank receives the Critical effect of Busted Tracks (but no damage).
The biggest tank of the war with the heaviest mobile gun the Germans fielded. However, Luckily for the Allies, it was very unreliable and most of the few vehicles built broke down without ever seeing combat.

comment: 36 points because its like a tougher & slightly bigger version of the ISU-152 (32 pts), but I think Slow and Unreliable as well as initiative 1 with Assault Gun qualify to press the points down a lot. Also the (huge) silhouette will make movement less effective and this tank harder to hide. 1 initiative because the Jagdtiger slow and cumbersome by all means. 6 attack and Big Gun for the massive 12,8-cm-PaK 44. 3 armor for its massive frontal 250mm armor. 8 hull points because armor stored along side its huge but thin side armor made it, once flanked, easy to destroy by hitting ammo.
No Heavy, for its side armor was not very good, therefor flanking should not benefit of the massive armor value of 3.
Slow (hypothetical rule, allowing for only 1 movement / mentioned in a different forum- great rule idea though!): All around terrible mobility.
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Edited by user Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:36:13 AM(UTC)  | Reason: more accurate names

the side of the Tiger 1 was 60mm. the side of the tiger 2 was 80mm
tiger 1 gets the heavy bonus so should tiger 2 I feel

I came up with a Hetzer card:

Stat line 3-5-1-4, cautious, assault gun, ambush

The ambush key word is something I came up with to try. It gives +2 to the shooting initiative when the vehicle does not move that turn. The gun gets the extra shooting die (5, instead of 4, even though it is essentially the same weapon mounted on the Stug and Panzer IV) common to Allied tank destroyers. Not sure about points for this one, but I think it should cost around 20 pts.

Edited by user Tuesday, May 2, 2017 1:50:29 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Well, I can see foregoing cautious for my new idea of ambush....but I don't know what you mean by spotting? The way I see it, in a turn the Hetzer does not move its shooting initiative goes from 3 to 5 (similar to the +1 you get in shooting initiative with an aggressive loader). If it moves during a turn, it's initiative is 3 for both shooting and moving. This isn't all that helpful against Americans and Brits that have high initiative, but works well against Russians. To make it work against Americans and Brits, you would need an inspired commander, or a superb commander and aggressive loader, or some such combination.

Since the Hetzer is cramped and not a joy to operate, I would probably only give it two crew slots in Tanks....

A bit late to the party, but if I may Gentlemen...

Agreed with Commander Rook. Can't really go inventing a new keyword and expect the likes of StuG and SU-100 to benefit from it. Doctrine is the way to go. But if it's suppose to be a "discard to gain", than the cost should go down and bonus up (+3 Ini). Alternatively, how about this:

Ambush, Doctrine, Cost: (to be discussed)

This card can only be equipped to a tank with the Assault Gun keyword.
+3 Initiative if stationary. Discard this card the first time this tank takes damage.

Also...



You are mistaken Sir. Tiger I side is 80 mm.

Edited by user Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:57:47 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I kind of buffed the Hetzer to ATT 5, similar to the way the Achilles got a 6 for the same gun the Firefly uses with a 5. Maybe there is a reason to justify the Achilles' higher ATT rating?

Giving ambush to all vehicles would not give TD's their due. Yes, all vehicles can set an ambush. However, small or "short" vehicles such as the Hetzer, Jagdpanzer IV, or Archer would be superior in that role. They were designed for it. Allied TD's were meant to use superior recon and shoot and scoot tactics. Cautious works well for them, and I would also give cautious to the Marder and the Nashorn.

Hetzer was slow cross country and the driver would have a horrible time seeing outside the tank and the design even made the right side blind to the crew. http://www.tanks-encyclo...Jagdpanzer-38_Hetzer.php

Edited by user Wednesday, May 3, 2017 5:31:38 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

In all fairness I don't think there's need for that. Both, Zerstorers and mine, versions state that to benefit from Ambush You need to be stationary. So that takes care of 2 DEF dice already. So You are left with a 50% chance for a 1 DEF from movement on a vehicle that has 0 base DEF.

On Hetzer. I think I will side with You on its ATT value. So far only two vehicles got anti-tank buff to their attack, despite their gun having the lower rating. That's Achilles and Pak-Wagen. Both light, bare arse glass cannons. As I see it, at least in case of Germans that mechanic should be left for Panzerjäger family. And come to think of it, only for Marder as it would make a sensible progression (Panzerjäger I with ATT 4, Marder with ATT 5, despite being armed with 76,2mm gun and finally Nashorn with long acht-komma-acht at ATT 6). Jagdpanzers already have a natural candidate for ATT 5 (Jagdpanzer IV/70). Now if someone only made a decent plastic kit for Jagdpanzer IV with both Alkett and Vomag options...

Jagdwehrwolf: that makes absolute sense. I'm still on the fence about cost vs effect, though, as every upgrade should be a choice, not a "oh, of course!" Though Seek, Strike, and Destroy is a given every single time.

If I may attempt to tackle Guderian's duck (especially that I'm getting one myself), my take is very similar to Yours, with one exception: Ini 3 - mandatory drop for losing a turret plus a looooong and heavy barrel making the SPG very front heavy. Special rules: Assault Gun, Blitzkrieg and absolutely no Cautious. It's not a glass cannon. It's an excellent ambusher with low profile and enough armour to slug it out with his prey. There's no need to be extra careful with this thing. Cost? 26 Points.

Edited by user Friday, August 25, 2017 9:30:47 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Thanks for the input. I haven't got any of the doctrine cards, so don't have a way to gauge this.

JdpzIV Card Sample: Fan created Panzer IV/70 Card - Updated to 25 points

Edit PS: Note - early JdpzIV with 4/4/2/5 at 21 pts. See Post #22 below for link to card.

Just finished my second game of Tanks ever.

First game, wiped out the Allies completely with no losses (some damage, but all survived). That was just outrageous luck. Rolled more than 60% "6"s.

Second game, as a team member, my side was wiped out, with only one tank destroyed on the other side. Again, someone with outrageous luck rolling waaayyy too many '6's.

Edited by user Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:25:39 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Updated the card, and the link.