So I have a bug concern with non turret tanks. I think the fire ark is to small and way to easy to move out of. Now this wouldn't be a problem if some had higher int but looking at all the tanks in the store the non turret tanks all have the lowest int rating. I think they for that reason will be basically us less seeing as every turret tank will know there facing when they move.

A easy fix I would find is they have a 45° fire ark out the front.

Is any one else notice or feel this way?

Me too... an assault gun can engage targets in his entire front sector, so if you keep it at distance, it can positively fire on anything on the battlefield without being encircled. Ferdinands should be masters in this skill.

http://i.imgur.com/oCqwR2k.png

Despite the name, assault guns are NOT for assault ;)

Maybe you misread the rules?

OK. I see your point.
When we compare the PIV and the StuG G then we will see a disadvantage for the StuG.

Both have same Damage, Defense, Attack, special rule.

PIV has a better Initiative of 5 (StuG 3 only).
PIV has 4 crew slots (StuG 3 only).
PIV has a higher point value of 17 (StuG 15 only).

Even if I would have for 2 points a "Hasty Driver" to give the Stug Ini 5 (just guessing, maybe there is a crew card like that) the PIV is still better.

Not got any of the models but do assault guns have a lower profile so are harder to see, can maybe make better use of cover?

Could add camo netting but the model will be physically lower so will make better use of cover behind hedges or walls rather than having a turret that can be seen. The assault guns are either slightly cheaper or upgunned, may only be a point or two cheaper but am sure there will be some juicy upgrades to make it more useful ;)

Going to page 8, Terrain. Buildings and Wood block line of sight to tanks hidden behind them and cover to tanks partially hidden.

Just assumed that if a jagpanther was hidden behind a hedge or wall for example it would be blocked line of sight and no one could fire at it but if it were a panther which is higher, the turret may be visible, sticking over the obstacle and it would count as being in cover.

You really should be scared of a jagdpanther from across the table. ;)
I tried this the last game and it was devastating.

2 shooting phases and 2 enemy tanks were unable to shoot or move. Besides the normal damage.

At first i red the assault gun rule wrong, thinking assault guns are way to bad, but after getting it right, i really love the StuG or Jagdpanther.
But the use of assault gun tanks really depends on terrain. Open maps without much cover are good, same for city-like maps.

A well placed assault gun in the first round and you can stay stationary all game rerolling failed attack dice. That rule really comes in handy, especially as uk player.
Last game i played with 3 shermans, 1 firefly i drove forward on round 1 and stayed stationary in round 2 and 3 destroying my enemy with rerolled semi-indirect fire.

I've not explained well what I meant to say.. I take a step back.

Let's change scenario.
You're in a tank, and you line up your gun on an enemy formation. They're all advancing in line, in open ground, costant speed. Through your scope you see a Pz IV, then a Panther, then a Tiger, and then a Stug. Who's the easiest target (to hit, we're not talking about penetration)?

Of course NOT the StuG. The lil'bastard is so low, it's so much easier to hit a big target like a Tiger or a Panther! (and try to think about a Hetzer and a King Tiger!)

Say, now, that those guys spot you, and they put themselves hull down (which, like in reality, means that they put themselves in a position from where they can fire to the enemy while presenting the smallest target possible), the StuG will be an almost impossible target, leaving out just the gun mantlet and the gunner's iposcopes! The others will present to your sights just the turret, a small but not impossible target.

So, returning to our game, a hedgerow can hide my StuG & my Panther, but the first one won't be able to fire, while the other will be, from a hull down position, and therefore in cover, but this is just a logical assumption, because if you follow the rules, Panther's 4 corners are hidden just like the StuG's ones, so no LOS for both of them.
This applies also on an open but uneven ground, where a StuG can result "hull down" for an enemy simply because the terrain is a bit lower in that spot.

These situations should be possible in the game, but the rules now prevent this smart and efficient way of terrain exploitation.

I think this is a major problem, and to me is a thing to fix ASAP :)

Edited by user Friday, April 1, 2016 5:04:41 AM(UTC)  | Reason: grammar

It's to your 3D thinking that I agree with :)

The rule at page 9 talks about LOS, it doesn't mention cover. It's us "aged" gamers who make the logical assumption "you only see my godamnit turret---> I'm in cover", or worse yet "you see only my gun&iposcopes-----> I'm in cover", but rules do not say this :)

1st fix needed ;)

That's a bit borderline XD