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LordOfKhemri  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:28:16 AM(UTC)
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There is always vodka gives +1 I (for all phases)
Discarding TIAV gains +2 I until the end of the turn.

When the card is discarded at the start of movement...

1. Am I correct in assuming that the tank increases its Initiative only by 2, as you now do not hold the card that confers +1 I?

2. As the effect of the discard lasts until the end of the turn, the tank has +2 I for the shooting phase as well?


Quick turn lets you rotate the tank to face any direction once all movement has finished.
Unlike Cautious there is no mention of increasing the Speed Token value.

Does the act of rotating the tank because of the card rule count as a move and thus increase the Speed Token?

e.g. A fast T34 could move 3 and then rotate to deal with any cheeky flanking. Would it then be counted as moving 4 or still 3?
Similarly if a tank remains stationary and then swizzles round is it ...

3. Still stationary (i suspect not for reroll shooting purposes)

4. Counting as Speed 0 or 1?

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LordOfKhemri  
#2 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 6:08:28 AM(UTC)
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Another Q which also bumps this up the list again as no answer has been forthcoming to my previous queries.

I assume that the hero cards that allow a tank to make a single move at the Start of the Game do not incur a Speed 1 token as the first turn hasn't started yet? That's the way we play it anyway.

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Tally - Ho  
#3 Posted : Friday, January 13, 2017 7:03:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LordOfKhemri Go to Quoted Post
Another Q which also bumps this up the list again as no answer has been forthcoming to my previous queries.

I assume that the hero cards that allow a tank to make a single move at the Start of the Game do not incur a Speed 1 token as the first turn hasn't started yet? That's the way we play it anyway.

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That is the way I understand it. I have been wrong before though.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2017 2:27:45 PM(UTC)
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The rules make no mention of turns. It says "place a Speed token showing HOW MANY TIMES IT MOVED".
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#5 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:18:25 AM(UTC)
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Not saying I am right or wrong until GF9 come up with a ruling about how their designer intended the rule to operate but...

From the minimal rulebook which is accepted by GF9 as not covering all eventualities
Movement:
"In the movement phase, both players move any or all of their tanks"
The placing of Speed tokens is stated within the Movement Phase

Cautious:
The Cautious rule, for example, operates within the Shooting Phase but clearly states that a Speed Token is to be added to the overall count.

Heroes:
Dr Franz Bake: "Before the game begins this tank may make a normal move"
Zinoviy Kolobanov: "At the start of the game this tank .....may make a single move"
(One assumes that a normal move is 0,1,2 or 3 whereas a single move is 0,1)

Both of these heroes may move before the first Movement Phase and no Speed token is mentioned.
For those familiar with Warhammer Fantasy this seems akin to a Vanguard move prior to the first player turn.

My opinion is that the "prior" moving of the tanks is to signify the commander's skill and tactical nous at positioning/ambushing and is not meant to suffer any detriment.

I left this bit until the end, CAPS are poor etiquette, bold or underline emphasis are much more acceptable than shouting.

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#6 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:24:33 AM(UTC)
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There is/was a vanguard move in Axis & Allies which was implemented the same way.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2017 2:00:17 PM(UTC)
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1. Correct. The +2 Initiative lasts until the end of the turn, but the +1 has been discarded.

2. Correct. You get one turn of boosted Initiative before the stocks of vodka are drained and you're back to the basic stat.

3. Quick Turn is not intended to add to your movement speed.

4. Tanks that move out of sequence do not increase the speed token. On page 7 of the Rulebook, under 'Place Speed Token', it says "After moving your tank, place a Speed token showing how many times it moved." This is referring to the 1,2, or 3 dashes you would have just made as part of the Movement phase, nothing else.

The Cautious rule, as has been pointed out, is an exception to this that explicitly tells you to change your speed token.
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Waster  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:25:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Sean at TANKS HQ Go to Quoted Post
1. Correct. The +2 Initiative lasts until the end of the turn, but the +1 has been discarded.

2. Correct. You get one turn of boosted Initiative before the stocks of vodka are drained and you're back to the basic stat.

3. Quick Turn is not intended to add to your movement speed.

4. Tanks that move out of sequence do not increase the speed token. On page 7 of the Rulebook, under 'Place Speed Token', it says "After moving your tank, place a Speed token showing how many times it moved." This is referring to the 1,2, or 3 dashes you would have just made as part of the Movement phase, nothing else.

The Cautious rule, as has been pointed out, is an exception to this that explicitly tells you to change your speed token.


Wow. Reaaaallly would have liked some of these clarifications earlier. We've been playing wrong this whole time RE: adding speed tokens.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:28:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LordOfKhemri Go to Quoted Post

Heroes:
Dr Franz Bake: "Before the game begins this tank may make a normal move"
Zinoviy Kolobanov: "At the start of the game this tank .....may make a single move"
(One assumes that a normal move is 0,1,2 or 3 whereas a single move is 0,1)


I'd be very surprised if Dr. Franz Bake let you make more than one move, but I've been wrong before.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:07:30 PM(UTC)
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Dr Franz Bake in a Puma.
Prior to the start he moves 3, Then 3 for movement and then 1 for blitzkrieg.

The only German faster than that is Nico Rosberg.

It does seem rather extreme and I think I would have a word with myself if I tried to pull that one off.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2017 12:28:08 PM(UTC)
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Unless I miss read it Bakke moves once, not 2 or 3 arrows. Isn't the definition of a move placing the arrow etc? The fact some tanks may move two or three times doesn't stop the move being one arrow
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#12 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 8:22:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PilGrim Go to Quoted Post
Unless I miss read it Bakke moves once, not 2 or 3 arrows. Isn't the definition of a move placing the arrow etc? The fact some tanks may move two or three times doesn't stop the move being one arrow


That's right, a 'Move' is one use of the arrow.
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LordOfKhemri  
#13 Posted : Friday, January 20, 2017 8:45:03 AM(UTC)
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So a "normal move" and "single move" are one and the same?
That is actually how we play it but the different wording and potential for confusion caused me to raise the question.

Thanks for the clarification.
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